Camera's and other electronic devices

[David Dundas]

All

Saw this on our club range tonight and wanted to put it to the brains trust on here.

Shooter was shooting Hunter class targets at 50m with 6x scope so normally shooters use a telescope to check where the shot lands etc.
He had a electronic device which attached to his telescope to capture the image and then he was sending it to a small laptop on the bench, he had a physical connection (usb cable) but said it also works wirelessly.
Now this has its advantage in that you don't have to change your shooting position to check your spotting scope, he can just glance at his 12" screen sitting in front of him.
I discussed it further and he said the same could be done with these new high powered camera  (80x or 100x) that get around these days. That is a high powered camera could sit on your bench and send the image to a screen.

Now, I know that the rules state you can't have electronic gear\cameras down range but what about on the bench or even behind the firing line? What about having phones, tablets, notepads or laptops on the bench?

Not sure how much if any advantage it would be at a Fly shoot, maybe some at 200y depending on conditions and resolution of the gear.
He said the device on his telescope was normally used for Microscopes rather than Telescopes but the images were larger then life!

Anyway, just what I saw on the range and would like to hear your thoughts.

Cheers

Dave

[Anthony Hall]

Hi Mate,

I seriously doubt that it would be any use at all at 500m..... the optics on the camera would not be good enough to resolve bullet holes at 500m.

The current rule book states:
3.2.5 Cameras for the purpose of viewing targets and any other electronic device will not be allowed forward of the firing line during the course of the match.

So technically I guess if the entire device was behind the firing line it would meet the rule specifications, maybe it would work at 200, but again where is the advantage..... you can see them in your rifle scope at 200.  If you wanted to use a hunting rifle with a 6x scope and a camera and laptop screen..... I would think go for it !!

Cheers

Anthony

[David Dundas]

Thanks Anthony

Anything forward of the firing line was my understanding as well, but it was unusual to see stuff on the bench like this guy had.
From what I could see with his device on his telescope was that there was some loss of sharpness of the image, so not what you want at 500m.

Thanks again for the info, I am pleased this guy is not breaking the rules after spending his money on his gear.
I guess as technology dhanges and gets better then we will see more variations of items on the bench.

Cheers


Dave

[Stuart Pethy]

yeah starting to see a few labradars on the benches these days checking their speeds

[David Dundas]

Hi Stuart

I like the idea of the Labradar as you dont have to put anything down range so no need to go forward of the line. Means you can setup at your bench and no need to wait for a target change\cease fire and not holding anyone up while you position your Chrony. The Labradar users Dopler radar to track the speed of the bullet at any range desired, not just where you put your screens. That means you can have the muzzel velocity (est) and speeds of the bullet every 5 or 10m all the way to the target. I tried to get one for our club but they could not be shipped from the USA, I believe now they are sold locally.
I was at Silverdale today and saw another spotting scope with a mobile phone attached to the eye piece, again it was being used at just 50m. Problem was the scope was not great, the Tripod was worse and just was too shaky with a phone attached to the top of it - Not a great image so would struggle beyond 100m
Technology will make high res stuff more affordable in a couple of years, after all they dont look at the Stars with the eye - the use long exposure cameras to pull in more light.

Cheers

Dave

[Stuart Pethy]

Hi David
the labradar can be shipped direct from labradar now and still works out cheaper than off the q store
it will not give you the speed all the way out to the target only the 1st 100m/y but doesn't always pick up the longer ones.
i have mine set at 10, 20, 30, 40, and 50meters and this is only good for checking BC of your projectile which i don't use as mathematics comes into it haha. all i care is about my speed at muzzle
setting it up is the biggest thing
it needs to be aiming at your target (which can be hard when target is at 500m) and the correct distance away from barrel and not to far back from muzzle end but once you have done it a few times its easy


biggest thing is stopping people using those wind meters that alot of people have now

[David Dundas]

Thanks Stuart

I will ask at the club again to see if they want a Labradar or not, we normally shoot just 50m rimfire so no probs getting speeds all the way to the target.

What is the story with the little wind metres? I have seen someone measure the wind before or after a match but not seen one used during a match. Are they a no no on the bench?


Cheers


Dave

[Anthony Hall]

Yep, they fall under the Electronic aids forward of the firing line, so can't be used during competition (ie "any other electronic device").

Quote:
3.2.5 Cameras for the purpose of viewing targets and any other electronic device will not be allowed forward of the firing line during the course of the match.